Thursday, April 27, 2006

an imperial life.

well, the word on the street is that we might be moving back to eau claire. i myself don't know if i would buy it, but, that's what they say!

okay. we have narrowed our life down to two main options! (or at least our 5 year plan - going beyond might be a bit like Bottlerocket no?!)

option #1 is this: we stay in florida for 2 more years (at least) during which time matt completes the certification requirements for the state. at the end of this time, he would be licensed here but nowhere else - except for maybe mississippi where i hear you don't even need a GED?! if we were to want to move to wisconsin, he would enroll in another emergency certification program where he would work at another ghetto-fabulous school for a year while taking still more classes - at the end of which, he would be certified for the state of wisconsin.

option #2 is: we move up north, where i would work and matt would study in a two-year add-an-undergrad program. at the end of which, he would be licensed in the whole union.

so, the question is, do we go for 3 years of hoops with a paycheck and small licensure, or 2 years of hoops with no paycheck and a good licensure? if you please, tell us your gut reaction, and then tell us your prayer-filled reaction. assuming you would like to pray for us. please do. :-)

25 comments:

The Goodfellas said...

as is my custom to respond to myself first: i must add that all this is contingent on residency. apparently, we are not currently recognized as residents of either florida or wisconsin! if we can get wisconsin to claim us, matt can go to school for in-state prices. if florida claims us, we'll stay (and maybe he'll study here? oh no, that might be a 3rd option!!!)

mr. goodman said...

Spooooooky!

Steak Maker said...

I'd hop on the back of a big goose and migrate back north!

grubekl said...

Yay! Brad and I are aiming to move to EC too....I think it calls. Anyhoo, I'm looking into teaching too, but have no idea how to get certified. Since you two are pondering options, could you shed light into it for me? I want to get certified for the union - in case I move a lot.

grubekl said...

P.S. I like the picture. Whatever happened to Laura (and Walt)? Are you still in contact with those crazies?

grubedoo said...

It has been written that you are to exodus from Florida to Washington. Between Renton in the north and Tacoma in the south you shall dwell and heard your flocks. And you shall have 17 children.

Thus it has been written. So it shall be done.

The Goodfellas said...

gloriosity! so many responses!

steak maker: i am humbled to be in the virtual presence of the winner of "strange but true." your brilliance is a proven fact!!! it is also noted that you excel in the area of multiple choice. is B your final answer?

kerri: in wisconsin, there are 2 main ways to get certified. you can go through an emergency-certification program, which places you in a school (where you work for a year) and take classes on the weekends. at the end of it, you're licensed for the state, but only wisconsin. (and technically they could revoke the title if they no longer need emergency-certified teachers.) you could also do a 2-year add-on undergrad program, which is what we're thinking of. it's like a regular undergrad, but without all the GED's, just classes in the major. at the end, you're certified from the purple mountains majesty to the fruited planes? i think i got that wrong.

monsieur grube: i will let matt respond. ;-)

mr. goodman said...

It is written: "And at that same time, they were a house divided, one not opposed to Washington, the other not enthused about Washington. And the man and the woman, they were but confused in the presence of their future."

Washington... it's really nice, but not quite cheap enough for me, and not quite warm enough for Jenny, so... I don't know. Probably just not in the cards. But I do hereby solemnly swear never to stop visiting the green and grey state in the corner as long as there are FUN-tastic people living there!

Kerri! Imagine if w'all did end up in EC. We'd have friends! I almost forget what it's like to live nearish friends. Come on over for supper some time (you know... depending...)

heidi_go_lightly said...

I know the answer to state of Wisconsin certification questions!!

Look for accelerated programs. I'm working through Concordia University out of Mequon, but my classes were all out of Appleton. I went to class one night a week for a year and then student taught for a semester, one quarter in the middle school, one quarter in the high school. Concordia is a private school, so it's a little pricier. However I will be done in a year and a half with two certifcations-English and Social Studies. Kerri, I'm sure you can get certified in English and German, and occasionally a job posting does pop up for that odd combination--I saw one last week. Concordia also has centers in Wausau, GB, and Milwaukee. When I was looking into programs, I also noticed that UW Milwaukee has a post-bacclautate certification program. UWEC was also expieriementing with an adult cert program of thier own, but i don't know if they ran past that one year. Matt, I don't know if Concordoa offers the Certification for Art ed, they do at a graduate level, but that may make you less employable. Concordia was also thinking about making the teacher cert. program a graduate program, but Dr. Hardesty is really against it, so I don't know if it went through. Otherwise, you just need to go bak to any UW and go through the school of ed program. Three words of warning... 1) You may need to take classes in your subject area for Department of Public Instruction that you didn't need to take for your degree. I needed to take two extra English classes. 2)Once you have a degree, the only financial aid that you qualify for is student loans. 3) A lot of cert. programs are graduate level programs. You may not want to do a program like that because due to shrinking budgets across the state, you may not find a job because districts are not going to hire a person with one or two years experience that is that expensive right away. Ohter option for certifcation maybe the CESAs, which are the districts that school districts are lumped into. I looked into doing a program through CESA 6, called the RITE program, but since English and Social Studies are saturated fields, I didn't qualify. Also, Marian College in Appleton offers and elementary cert program that is similar to Concordia's. I know someone that did it, and he seemed to be happy with it.

By the way, I never heard of a national certification, I didn't think such a thing exisisted because schools are still state regualted.

Brian and/or Megan said...

my vote, since WA is likely not an option, is the two year wisconsin option. it would hurt a bit in the short-term but give you much more flexibility when you decide that the evergreen state really is the place for you.

Jenna said...

Walt and Laura live in LaCrosse. They bought a house down there about a year and a half ago. Walt's a banker. They came up here a couple weeks ago & stayed with us...and their pug too!

Beth P. said...

wow-walt's a banker! crazy.

matt and jenny, i just wanted to hereby make the note that you two are really fun. i'm glad you have a blog.

and that i think washington, too. it's a pretty exciting place. but if not--wisconsin's never a bad place to be! especially if you could live by the pattons....woah...kerri patton...

The Goodfellas said...

heidi, about the concordia program: at the end of it all, is one considered emergency-licensed, or is the license considered to be accredited? this is what i mean about being nation-wide certified: if you try to teach out of state with an accelerated-program license, it wouldn't be recognized as a teaching degree. for example, if we come back to florida, matt would have to start from scratch and do another emergency certification program here (or washington, or wherever we may end up.)
you mentioned taking additional classes to meet DPI requirements: can a person only get certified in the area of their major, or can they teach their minor also?
so many things to consider! ay!
ps. i found out we could get wi or fl residency. yay! :-)

The Goodfellas said...

a new development!!! i think we're going to stay here for at least a year... looks like matt will take classes (2 this summer, maybe 2 during the school year?) while he teaches. we're going to try to find a program that is transferrable to eau claire. the thing is, with my record, i'm pretty unhirable right now. :-( i think i need a year to fix my resume a little, especially for how competitive wisconsin is. then, when we go back, maybe matt will have the program whittled down to 1 year, or at least 1 1/2. any thoughts....?
also we found a really cool place to live which is maybe more why i'm so excited. :-)

Beth P. said...

j & m- thanks for the great great advice on my blog. i have to decide by monday morning (for at least two of these options) -- I think I'm going to sit down, and as you suggested--figure out what this hinges on.

I do have an idea of where i'd like to be eventually, which, like all of us it seems =), is teaching. I'd really like to be a creative writing prof, or at least writing and on my way to that.

I'm still feeling kind of uneasy about all of the options I have, though; for various different reasons, nothing feels quite right.

I think I'll spend some time today outlining a five-year plan, and maybe even thinking through what an ideal situation might be--so I can see if any of these are close enough to make it, or if I should take a year off, just get a job and look for a better fit.

We'll know soon! Thanks again for the help-- this really is changing how I'm thinking about it.

PS--Thrilled to hear about your new idea!

kelly said...

who is steak maker??? i think that should be fernando's blog, don't you??

The Goodfellas said...

who is steak maker???? none other than the winner of the first-annual cut-throat "strange but true" trivia deathmatch!!!!!

The Goodfellas said...

beth - uneasy is a good word for it!!! :-( this is how i've felt all through this decision making, until today! which maybe means we've stumbled upon the right thing! (i hope....) let us know what you decide! :-)

heidi_go_lightly said...

I was about to say that yes the program is accredited, but since you may be staying in FL it may not matter. If things change, let me know and I'll send you info about the program

The Goodfellas said...

i was talking to some people in DPI and they said that accelerated programs aren't considered accredited - not that it's a problem within the state, but if you were to transfer out of state, the license wouldn't hold. could you send me some information about the program though? this is all very confusing!!!

heidi_go_lightly said...

uh, that confuses me too because, I know that the Concordia program and the Marian programs are both accelerated and accredited. What makes both programs accerlated is that classes come in very quick succession, your basically doing tne school of ed portion of coursework. What the person at DPI may have been talking about are the programs like the RITE program or the emergency license thing. And sometimes some of the people at DPI don't always know what they are talking about. The people in charge do, but the people answering the phones, not so much. My license will be a regular license. otherwise I won't be a happy camper. When Dr. Hardesty gets back, I'll ask her about your question. Email your address info and I'll have Concordia send you some stuff just in case you decide to swing up North.

The Goodfellas said...

yeah, the license is a regular license, don't worry! it looks the same to the state of wisconsin. like i said though, for out of state it's not seen as accredited because it's not a regular 4-year (or 2-year add-on) degree. you know what though? i'll ask the guy at DPI again, just to make sure. he sent me a list of all the accelerated programs, and he didn't really mention a difference between RITE and concordia... maybe there is one? i hope so. out of curiosity, how much is tuition? can a person get grants?

ningyo said...

Wow! congrats on making your decision for another year then.

That'll give us some time to get back into the states where we can all reunite and play music and live on some beach all together.

There's little chance we'd end up in EC. It's Madison or Nashville for us.

So does FL recognize you as established citizens then, is that what you're saying about Matt taking classes there now?

mr. goodman said...

Good molning!

Madison or Nashville? How do they end up the two options? That's kind of weird! All well and good, though.

Are you two still considering the Aloha Lifestyle? Because what a cool thing that would be. But you know what's great? Florida. It's like Hawaii, but attached, and I'd say a bit warmer, too! Move here! Not to mention, it is WAY cheaper here than in Hawaii. And that's saying something, because it's not cheap here. And Hawaii is so dangerous! Did you learn nothing from "Blue Crush?"

Say hello to Ryan for me!

Anonymous said...

i say it would make sense to get licensed in the whole union, although mississippi sounds like a great place to work: hurricanes, poverty, hillbillies, and quality education.